Wow...what an interesting story. I wonder if he might have seen you as "competition" for your roommate's affection or attention. He strikes me as needing to be the center of the storm. A bit of a Pied Piper. He seemed to have a few truly complex relationships, mostly because so many saw him as the "leader" of the Beats. From my brief rea…
Wow...what an interesting story. I wonder if he might have seen you as "competition" for your roommate's affection or attention. He strikes me as needing to be the center of the storm. A bit of a Pied Piper. He seemed to have a few truly complex relationships, mostly because so many saw him as the "leader" of the Beats. From my brief reading a few, including Kerouac, distanced themselves from the label because of it. That said, public people are still people...and personality chemistry is a mystery I'll never understand. I've been on both sides of that interaction. Sometimes at the same time! lol Cuz gay men...we can be bitchy af to each other. :-p
I spent part of a year working for Carol Berge, credibly also part of the Beats, and she had a deep hatred of...lots of things. Lovey-dovey she was not. But Ginsberg was her particular bete noir. And one of my teachers in grad school was also part of the beat movement but favorable to Allan. So in a way I've been surrounded by the beats. I think perhaps they helped open things up for the rest of us for a decade or two. But I'm not confident there won't be a serious "Victorian Age" movement in the near future...
Wasn't familiar with Ms. Berge, but even a quick scan of her Wikipedia leads me to believe she was...something else. I'm sure Ginsberg shared a similar opinion of her. As for the possibility of a "Victorian Age," I think we're already seeing some signs of it. The pendulum of time...is slow but steady. For every action, there's usually an equal and opposite reaction. Progress is hard. Cuz...zucking human nature. :-p
Wow...what an interesting story. I wonder if he might have seen you as "competition" for your roommate's affection or attention. He strikes me as needing to be the center of the storm. A bit of a Pied Piper. He seemed to have a few truly complex relationships, mostly because so many saw him as the "leader" of the Beats. From my brief reading a few, including Kerouac, distanced themselves from the label because of it. That said, public people are still people...and personality chemistry is a mystery I'll never understand. I've been on both sides of that interaction. Sometimes at the same time! lol Cuz gay men...we can be bitchy af to each other. :-p
I spent part of a year working for Carol Berge, credibly also part of the Beats, and she had a deep hatred of...lots of things. Lovey-dovey she was not. But Ginsberg was her particular bete noir. And one of my teachers in grad school was also part of the beat movement but favorable to Allan. So in a way I've been surrounded by the beats. I think perhaps they helped open things up for the rest of us for a decade or two. But I'm not confident there won't be a serious "Victorian Age" movement in the near future...
Wasn't familiar with Ms. Berge, but even a quick scan of her Wikipedia leads me to believe she was...something else. I'm sure Ginsberg shared a similar opinion of her. As for the possibility of a "Victorian Age," I think we're already seeing some signs of it. The pendulum of time...is slow but steady. For every action, there's usually an equal and opposite reaction. Progress is hard. Cuz...zucking human nature. :-p
"Something else." That's all one can say without being unkind, I think. Nicely put.
Hahaha. I was raised in the South, so being "nice" comes with a side of biscuits and gravy. And a double-helping of "Bless Her Heart." :-)